hagel, if we're talking about iran, talking about algeria, talking about a fragile state in south africa, we have to be really careful how we engage, because it's easy to say, let's bomb iran, send troops. where are we going to get those troops and how can we afford to do that? not the least of which, how do we know that doesn't turn into a quagmire of another ten years, another 4,000 people dead. as much as they criticize the president for this leaving behind, what you'll hear from kerry, and this is the administration's position, we have to be tough, but we have to be thoughtful so we don't end up like we are right now in afghanistan with a mess on our hands. >> i think what karen says is interesting, because behind a lot of the republicans' critique of how the state department handled this is the idea there's a button hillary could have pressed that the black ops guys could have been there if only she had been on it. i think it's related to, like, the get tough on iran and this kind of, like, this omnipotent u.s. force we have at our disposal. i think that's a troublesome sort of imag